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Volak
Posts : 39 Join date : 2010-01-07
Scouter Reading Powerlevel: 30,600. Zenni: 4,900. Ki Remaining: (30600/30600)
| Subject: Transformation Revamp Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:18 pm | |
| Just a suggestion (Hope it's not too forward, see end note) : Please read all the way through before commenting.HumanEnraged:Requirement: Power Level of 60,000 Effect: 45,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Warrior:Requirement: Power Level of 180,000 Effect: 60,000 added to your Power Level Permanent Unlocked Potential:Requirement: Power Level of 280,000 Effect: 220,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Champion:Requirement: Power Level of 340,000 Effect: 180,000 added to your Power Level Permanent Maximum Threshold:Requirement: Power Level of 640,000 Effect: 260,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Super-Human:Requirement: Power Level of 960,000 Effect: 320,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Namekian:Basic Kyodokai:Requirement: Power Level of 45,000 Effect: 60,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Well-Trained:Requirement: Power Level of 120,000 Effect: 60,000 added to your Power Level Permanent Awakened Potential:Requirement: Power Level of 340,000 Effect: 100,000 added to your Power Level Permanent Super Namek:Requirement: Power Level of 540,000 Effect: 160,000 added to your Power Level Permanent Mastered Kyodokai:Requirement: Power Level of 620,000 Effect: 260,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Second Fusion:Requirement: Super Namek + Power Level of 1,000,000 Effect: 420,000 added to your Power Level Permanent Saiyan:Oozaru:Requirements: Power Ball Technique or Full Moon Present + Power Level of 5,000 required Effect: 75,000 added to your Power Level Temporary False Super Saiyan:Requirements: Power Level of 60,000 Effect: 30,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Super Saiyan:Requirements: Power Level of 180,000 Effect: 90,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Super Saiyan 2:Requirements: Power Level of 320,000 Effect: 160,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Super Saiyan 3:Requirements: Power Level of 560,000 Effect: 260,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Golden Oozaru:Requirements: Power Ball Technique or Full Moon Present + Power Level of 1,000,000 required Effect: 320,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Super Saiyan 4:Requirements: Must Revert To SS4 from Golden Oozaru Form Effect: 460,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Half-Saiyan:Oozaru:Requirements: Power Ball Technique or Full Moon Present + Power Level of 5,000 required Effect: 75,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Well Trained:Requirements: Power Level of 30,000 Effect: 40,000 added to your Power Level Permanent Unleashed Power:Requirements: Power Level of 90,000 Effect: 80,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Super Saiyan:Requirements: Power Level of 160,000 Effect: 120,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Ascended Super Saiyan:Requirements: Power Level of 240,000 Effect: 180,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Super Saiyan 2:Requirements: Power Level of 540,000 Effect: 240,000 added to your Power Level Temporary Mastered Human Skills:Requirements: Power Level of 680,000 Effect: 160,000 added to your Power Level Permanent Super Saiyan 3:Requirements: Power Level of 960,000 Effect: 360,000 added to your Power Level Temporary I can offer justification for anything listed here. TEMPORARY EFFECTS DO NOT STACK. - Volak wrote:
- Okay I tried to make it more balanced / logical
For max power upon reaching 1,000,000 it's:
Saiyans (1.46 mil) -> Namekians (1.42 mil) -> Half-Saiyans (1.40 mil) -> Humans (1.32 mil)
Best temporary transformation (stronger in battles) it's:
Saiyan (7) -> Half-Saiyan (6) -> Human (4) -> Namekian (2)
Best permanent transformation (quicker to gain PL) it's:
Namekian (4) -> Human (2) -> Half Saiyan (2) -> Saiyan (0)
Notice how it's flipped exactly for temporary vs. permanents. Also though Humans and Half-Saiyans both have two, that of the Humans are better.
Most balanced:
Humans / Half-Saiyans
Last edited by Volak on Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:13 am; edited 7 times in total | |
| | | Rampoh Reborn
Posts : 65 Join date : 2010-01-07 Age : 30 Location : It's not really my b-day, i just wanna see if i can trick myself to a boost : D
Scouter Reading Powerlevel: 24,100. Zenni: 11,100. Ki Remaining: (24100/24100)
| Subject: Re: Transformation Revamp Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:29 pm | |
| Cool...But we would need stronger, and more, transes. | |
| | | Volak
Posts : 39 Join date : 2010-01-07
Scouter Reading Powerlevel: 30,600. Zenni: 4,900. Ki Remaining: (30600/30600)
| Subject: Re: Transformation Revamp Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:02 am | |
| Why you need more transformations? And more generous ones? | |
| | | ~Grinite~
Posts : 44 Join date : 2010-01-06 Age : 30 Location : The Still Earth
Scouter Reading Powerlevel: 100. Zenni: 100. Ki Remaining: (100/100)
| Subject: Re: Transformation Revamp Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:04 am | |
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| | | Volak
Posts : 39 Join date : 2010-01-07
Scouter Reading Powerlevel: 30,600. Zenni: 4,900. Ki Remaining: (30600/30600)
| Subject: Re: Transformation Revamp Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:13 am | |
| Anyone going to answer why? | |
| | | ~Grinite~
Posts : 44 Join date : 2010-01-06 Age : 30 Location : The Still Earth
Scouter Reading Powerlevel: 100. Zenni: 100. Ki Remaining: (100/100)
| Subject: Re: Transformation Revamp Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:46 am | |
| Well, Saiyans are fine, but the others having less is kinda unfair. Unless you over power the weaker ones. | |
| | | Volak
Posts : 39 Join date : 2010-01-07
Scouter Reading Powerlevel: 30,600. Zenni: 4,900. Ki Remaining: (30600/30600)
| Subject: Re: Transformation Revamp Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:48 am | |
| Well, I think Half-Saiyans are where they should be. It would be weird to have them anywhere else, weird and illogical. They can be made up for in racial abilities I suppose. I'm going to edit the others now, though. | |
| | | ~Grinite~
Posts : 44 Join date : 2010-01-06 Age : 30 Location : The Still Earth
Scouter Reading Powerlevel: 100. Zenni: 100. Ki Remaining: (100/100)
| Subject: Re: Transformation Revamp Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:51 am | |
| The Half Saiyans are fine. | |
| | | Volak
Posts : 39 Join date : 2010-01-07
Scouter Reading Powerlevel: 30,600. Zenni: 4,900. Ki Remaining: (30600/30600)
| Subject: Re: Transformation Revamp Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:29 am | |
| Okay I tried to make it more balanced / logical
For max power upon reaching 1,000,000 it's:
Saiyans (1.46 mil) -> Namekians (1.42 mil) -> Half-Saiyans (1.40 mil) -> Humans (1.32 mil)
Best temporary transformation (stronger in battles) it's:
Saiyan (7) -> Half-Saiyan (6) -> Human (4) -> Namekian (2)
Best permanent transformation (quicker to gain PL) it's:
Namekian (4) -> Human (2) -> Half Saiyan (2) -> Saiyan (0)
Notice how it's flipped exactly for temporary vs. permanents. Also though Humans and Half-Saiyans both have two, that of the Humans are better.
Most balanced:
Humans / Half-Saiyans
Last edited by Volak on Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:57 am; edited 3 times in total | |
| | | Rampoh Reborn
Posts : 65 Join date : 2010-01-07 Age : 30 Location : It's not really my b-day, i just wanna see if i can trick myself to a boost : D
Scouter Reading Powerlevel: 24,100. Zenni: 11,100. Ki Remaining: (24100/24100)
| Subject: Re: Transformation Revamp Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:41 am | |
| YOu have placed Half Saiyans and Humans in an overpowered state. And underpowered on the same time : s Acording to your graph the Nameks are best at perms but worst at rev. Saiyans are opposite. So humans and half saiyans must be strongest, as theyre placed right in the middle. ALso, i don't like the low ki bonuses from transing >.< | |
| | | Volak
Posts : 39 Join date : 2010-01-07
Scouter Reading Powerlevel: 30,600. Zenni: 4,900. Ki Remaining: (30600/30600)
| Subject: Re: Transformation Revamp Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:45 am | |
| Not really.
Permanent helps in getting to a high pl and Temporary helps in battles.
So highest Permanent = Easiest time getting to a high PL and highest temp = Generically best in battles.
EDIT: Also
Overpowered and Underpowered = Balanced.
At least in the way it's done above.
Every race can't be great at everything. It's logical that Saiyans are generically stronger than Humans but it doesn't mean that they don't have a harder time getting to be stronger.
EDIT #2: I can explain further, regarding other reasons as to how this system is balanced / fair despite power differences. | |
| | | Shadow
Posts : 23 Join date : 2010-01-06 Age : 29
Scouter Reading Powerlevel: 2,100. Zenni: 600. Ki Remaining: (2100/2100)
| Subject: Re: Transformation Revamp Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:11 am | |
| i gotta go with volak on this one it seem's fine to me | |
| | | Rampoh Reborn
Posts : 65 Join date : 2010-01-07 Age : 30 Location : It's not really my b-day, i just wanna see if i can trick myself to a boost : D
Scouter Reading Powerlevel: 24,100. Zenni: 11,100. Ki Remaining: (24100/24100)
| Subject: Re: Transformation Revamp Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:27 am | |
| Also, Namekians have 4 perms and 2 revs. Which is rather unfair. They simply use their perm then use a rev to get insanely strong. | |
| | | Volak
Posts : 39 Join date : 2010-01-07
Scouter Reading Powerlevel: 30,600. Zenni: 4,900. Ki Remaining: (30600/30600)
| Subject: Re: Transformation Revamp Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:30 am | |
| What are you talking about? Once you use a perm it's done you can't use it anymore. They are not OP'ed they are the second strongest at 1 mil power level. Their strongest temp is 260,000 PL... Half Saiyans have 360,000, Saiyans have 460,000, and Humans have 320,000. In the long run, They have the weakest temp transformation. | |
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