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PostSubject: Transformation Revamp   Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:18 pm

Just a suggestion Very Happy (Hope it's not too forward, see end note) :

Please read all the way through before commenting.


Human

Enraged:
    Requirement: Power Level of 60,000
    Effect: 45,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Warrior:
    Requirement: Power Level of 180,000
    Effect: 60,000 added to your Power Level
    Permanent


Unlocked Potential:
    Requirement: Power Level of 280,000
    Effect: 220,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Champion:
    Requirement: Power Level of 340,000
    Effect: 180,000 added to your Power Level
    Permanent


Maximum Threshold:
    Requirement: Power Level of 640,000
    Effect: 260,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Super-Human:
    Requirement: Power Level of 960,000
    Effect: 320,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary



Namekian:

Basic Kyodokai:
    Requirement: Power Level of 45,000
    Effect: 60,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Well-Trained:
    Requirement: Power Level of 120,000
    Effect: 60,000 added to your Power Level
    Permanent


Awakened Potential:
    Requirement: Power Level of 340,000
    Effect: 100,000 added to your Power Level
    Permanent


Super Namek:
    Requirement: Power Level of 540,000
    Effect: 160,000 added to your Power Level
    Permanent


Mastered Kyodokai:
    Requirement: Power Level of 620,000
    Effect: 260,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Second Fusion:
    Requirement: Super Namek + Power Level of 1,000,000
    Effect: 420,000 added to your Power Level
    Permanent




Saiyan:

Oozaru:
    Requirements: Power Ball Technique or Full Moon Present + Power Level of 5,000 required
    Effect: 75,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


False Super Saiyan:
    Requirements: Power Level of 60,000
    Effect: 30,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Super Saiyan:
    Requirements: Power Level of 180,000
    Effect: 90,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Super Saiyan 2:
    Requirements: Power Level of 320,000
    Effect: 160,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Super Saiyan 3:
    Requirements: Power Level of 560,000
    Effect: 260,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Golden Oozaru:
    Requirements: Power Ball Technique or Full Moon Present + Power Level of 1,000,000 required
    Effect: 320,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Super Saiyan 4:
    Requirements: Must Revert To SS4 from Golden Oozaru Form
    Effect: 460,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary



Half-Saiyan:

Oozaru:
    Requirements: Power Ball Technique or Full Moon Present + Power Level of 5,000 required
    Effect: 75,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Well Trained:
    Requirements: Power Level of 30,000
    Effect: 40,000 added to your Power Level
    Permanent


Unleashed Power:
    Requirements: Power Level of 90,000
    Effect: 80,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Super Saiyan:
    Requirements: Power Level of 160,000
    Effect: 120,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Ascended Super Saiyan:
    Requirements: Power Level of 240,000
    Effect: 180,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Super Saiyan 2:
    Requirements: Power Level of 540,000
    Effect: 240,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary


Mastered Human Skills:
    Requirements: Power Level of 680,000
    Effect: 160,000 added to your Power Level
    Permanent


Super Saiyan 3:
    Requirements: Power Level of 960,000
    Effect: 360,000 added to your Power Level
    Temporary



I can offer justification for anything listed here.

TEMPORARY EFFECTS DO NOT STACK.


Volak wrote:
Okay I tried to make it more balanced / logical

For max power upon reaching 1,000,000 it's:

Saiyans (1.46 mil) -> Namekians (1.42 mil) -> Half-Saiyans (1.40 mil) -> Humans (1.32 mil)

Best temporary transformation (stronger in battles) it's:

Saiyan (7) -> Half-Saiyan (6) -> Human (4) -> Namekian (2)

Best permanent transformation (quicker to gain PL) it's:

Namekian (4) -> Human (2) -> Half Saiyan (2) -> Saiyan (0)

Notice how it's flipped exactly for temporary vs. permanents. Also though Humans and Half-Saiyans both have two, that of the Humans are better.

Most balanced:

Humans / Half-Saiyans


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PostSubject: Re: Transformation Revamp   Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:29 pm

Cool...But we would need stronger, and more, transes.
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PostSubject: Re: Transformation Revamp   Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:02 am

Why you need more transformations? And more generous ones?
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PostSubject: Re: Transformation Revamp   Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:04 am

Nah...more trans doode
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PostSubject: Re: Transformation Revamp   Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:13 am

Anyone going to answer why?
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PostSubject: Re: Transformation Revamp   Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:46 am

Well, Saiyans are fine, but the others having less is kinda unfair. Unless you over power the weaker ones.
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PostSubject: Re: Transformation Revamp   Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:48 am

Well, I think Half-Saiyans are where they should be. It would be weird to have them anywhere else, weird and illogical. They can be made up for in racial abilities I suppose. I'm going to edit the others now, though.
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PostSubject: Re: Transformation Revamp   Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:51 am

The Half Saiyans are fine.
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PostSubject: Re: Transformation Revamp   Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:29 am

Okay I tried to make it more balanced / logical

For max power upon reaching 1,000,000 it's:

Saiyans (1.46 mil) -> Namekians (1.42 mil) -> Half-Saiyans (1.40 mil) -> Humans (1.32 mil)

Best temporary transformation (stronger in battles) it's:

Saiyan (7) -> Half-Saiyan (6) -> Human (4) -> Namekian (2)

Best permanent transformation (quicker to gain PL) it's:

Namekian (4) -> Human (2) -> Half Saiyan (2) -> Saiyan (0)

Notice how it's flipped exactly for temporary vs. permanents. Also though Humans and Half-Saiyans both have two, that of the Humans are better.

Most balanced:

Humans / Half-Saiyans


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PostSubject: Re: Transformation Revamp   Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:41 am

YOu have placed Half Saiyans and Humans in an overpowered state. And underpowered on the same time : s Acording to your graph the Nameks are best at perms but worst at rev. Saiyans are opposite. So humans and half saiyans must be strongest, as theyre placed right in the middle. ALso, i don't like the low ki bonuses from transing >.<
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PostSubject: Re: Transformation Revamp   Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:45 am

Not really.

Permanent helps in getting to a high pl and Temporary helps in battles.

So highest Permanent = Easiest time getting to a high PL and highest temp = Generically best in battles.

EDIT: Also

Overpowered and Underpowered = Balanced.

At least in the way it's done above.

Every race can't be great at everything. It's logical that Saiyans are generically stronger than Humans but it doesn't mean that they don't have a harder time getting to be stronger.

EDIT #2: I can explain further, regarding other reasons as to how this system is balanced / fair despite power differences.
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PostSubject: Re: Transformation Revamp   Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:11 am

i gotta go with volak on this one it seem's fine to me
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PostSubject: Re: Transformation Revamp   Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:27 am

Also, Namekians have 4 perms and 2 revs. Which is rather unfair. They simply use their perm then use a rev to get insanely strong.
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PostSubject: Re: Transformation Revamp   Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:30 am

What are you talking about? Once you use a perm it's done you can't use it anymore. They are not OP'ed they are the second strongest at 1 mil power level. Their strongest temp is 260,000 PL... Half Saiyans have 360,000, Saiyans have 460,000, and Humans have 320,000. In the long run, They have the weakest temp transformation.
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